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      <title>Re: Anti-Bus Helmet</title>
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      <author>Seamus</author>
      <description><![CDATA[My ex-best friend, Micheal McLean, died of brain cancer when I was in hopspital, had a a a job where he read what was a big report and did it as a single sided sheet A4 preferly as a single senrence.

The was a part time job. The rest of the time his was a teacher.]]></description>
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      <author>corshamjim</author>
      <description><![CDATA[AbrasiveScotsman Wrote:
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&gt; The BHRF has some concerns about the paper you
&gt; cite

I'm sure they do.  That is after all their raison d'etre.]]></description>
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      <author>AbrasiveScotsman</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The BHRF has some concerns about the paper you cite:


http://cyclehelmets.org/1069.html
[quote]The Cochrane database has established a reputation as a key resource for medical research. This particular review, however, has attracted considerable criticism. Some of this criticism is included with the reviewers' paper on the Cochrane database and thus forms an integral part of the review. However, submissions were sometimes shortened and summarised in a way that omits key concerns. See here for the full version of one detailed critique (BHRF, 1243).

Further peer-reviewed criticism has appeared in the medical press, in which the studies selected for the review were accused of not possessing the necessary scientific rigour to be a reliable guide to helmet effectiveness, particularly with regard to efficacy against fatal and disabling injury to the brain (Curnow, 2005).[/quote]

and

[quote]Criticisms

Principal criticisms of the review are:

    The review is not independent. Four of the seven papers selected for inclusion were the work of the reviewers themselves and their data dominate the analysis, comprising 77% of the cyclists on whom the review is based. Furthermore, these four papers are based on only two data sets and have themselves been much criticised for fundamental methodological shortcomings (BHRF, 1068).
    Only case-control studies were considered for inclusion, although non-randomised studies of this type are acknowledged to be prone to bias because of the difficulty in controlling for the many independent variables (BHRF, 1052).
    The paradox presented by the failure of other types of studies (e.g. whole population and time-series data) to show any benefit from large increases in helmet use - let alone the substantial benefits predicted by the studies reviewed - is left unstated and unaccounted for (BHRF, 1096).
    The authors are dismissive of the possibility of risk compensation. However, it has subsequently been demonstrated that child cyclists often ride more riskily and suffer more crashes when wearing a cycle helmet (Mok et al, 2004) and that adults are more likely to ride on busier roads if helmeted (Gregory, Inwood and Sexton, 2003).
    Similarly no consideration is given to rotational injuries, which dominate the most serious injuries. Helmets have not been shown to mitigate rotational brain injury and there is evidence they may increase the risk and/or severity of rotational injury.(BHRF, 1039).
    Claims are accepted of efficacy for which no plausible mechanism exists (e.g. the prevention of mid-face injuries), where the reviewed data set is too small to make reliable inference (e.g. the result of collisions with motor vehicles), and which would not be possible even if helmets prevented all head injuries (e.g. an increase of 35% in cyclists wearing helmets leading to 66% fewer head injuries).
    There is misleading interpretation of 'odds ratio', which is used interchangeably in the review with 'percentage reduction in head injuries'. This exaggerates the predicted benefit of helmets and masks the fact that studies of this type are not truly predictive, being essentially the authors' estimate of what proportion of the observed differences between two groups can be assigned to a single factor. Furthermore, the reviewed paper showing the least benefit from helmets is omitted from computation of odds ratio, thus again exaggerating benefit.
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      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 20:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>corshamjim</author>
      <description><![CDATA[You're right Seamus, it's cheap simply to fire URLs in to the ether!

What ROSPA's document does is summarise a large number (54) of published scientific papers and articles on the subject.  The very last one serves to dispel some of the myths around helmet effectiveness viz:

[quote]
“Helmets for Preventing Head and Facial Injuries in Bicyclists (Cochrane
Review)” D C Thompson et al, Issue 1, 2003

This is a review of the validity and findings of five, previously published, casecontrolled studies from different countries into the effectiveness of cycle
helmets. The review found that all the studies provided consistent evidence that
wearing an approved cycle helmet significantly reduces the risk of head or brain
injuries in a crash or collision. It concluded that overall, cycle helmets decrease the risk of head and brain injury by 65% to 88%, and decrease the risk of facial injury by 65% (but do not protect the lower face or jaw). The review also stated that helmets are effective for cyclists of all ages and in accidents involving collisions with motor vehicle as well as those which do not.

It is a feature of Cochrane Reviews that responses to the review from other
researchers are published along with the replies by the original authors. This
review generated several responses that were critical of the review’s findings,
mainly on the following grounds:

-- helmets are not designed to protect the brain from rotational injuries, which
are the most serious type

-- helmet laws discourage cycling which is one reason for any apparent
reduction in head injuries and also means the health and environmental
benefits of cycling are lost

-- cyclists who wear helmets feel safe and so cycle in a less cautious manner,
hence increasing their accident risk (risk compensation).


The authors disagreed with these arguments on the grounds that:

-- helmets do protect against the most common types of head and brain
injuries, and the research studies prove this

-- there is no scientific evidence that mandatory cycle helmet laws discourage
cycling

-- there is no scientific evidence that cyclist who wear helmets take more risks.

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      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 18:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Seamus</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I hate it when people say what somebody and give the when site withouit say what they said like those two before,

Good or bad? 
We dont know without reading the websites.
Perhaps a clue.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>corshamjim</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Here's what the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents have to say about the wearing of cycle helmets generally...

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/info/cycle_helmets.pdf]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 08:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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      <link>http://www.velovision.com/forum-new/read.php?3,10432,10509#msg-10509</link>
      <author>AbrasiveScotsman</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Here's what the BHRF have to say about the current standards vs SNELL B-90.


http://cyclehelmets.org/1081.html

and

http://cyclehelmets.org/papers/c2023.pdf]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 10:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Seamus</author>
      <description><![CDATA[A crash helmet that provide protection if a cyclist got his by a car who be like a motorcyclist helmet and that doent work uslaully cos we never hear about motorcylist being killed by cars?

Er?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Geoff</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Totally agree Arch. I used to wear one when commuting on a DF, hardly ever ride with one on  trike, In fact I gave up after rapping my helmet on the deck on my second ride of a recumbent bike. I realised I'd not have made contact without the extra 1.5-2&quot; of helmet sticking out. As I fell fairly regularly while I was acquiring  the necessary skills to keep upright, I can confirm I never hit my head while toppling off at stops and starts, or at any other time.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Arch</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Steveindenmark Wrote:
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&gt; Every cycle forum I go on always has the topic
&gt; about helmets, sometimes quite heated.
&gt; 

&gt; 
&gt; When will people understand that until there are
&gt; laws passed which says we must wear helmets, we
&gt; have the option not to wear one?
&gt;


I think people do understand that. It's the fear of that compulsion that arouses the emotions - the worry that if enough people evangelise enough, we lose the chance to decide for ourselves.

I used to wear a helmet most of the time, now I can't remember the last time I did. But don't tell my mother that.  Of course she never wore a helmet when she rode a bike to the shops...]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 11:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Seamus</author>
      <description><![CDATA[*best, biggest, bloodiest etc.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 16:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Seamus</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Denmark and the Netherlands have about most cyclists riding in their coiuntrises (?)

They dont wear helmets do they?

I was in Denmark in my Peer Gynt and on my Challenge Mistral in 2000 and another year.

I go the the Netherlamd quite frenqently.

How about a, &quot;Bike Culture Never,&quot; expemint?

Victim 1 has one a cap/woolen hat/or what ever thoght had on instaed of the helmet.
Victim 2 has on a cycle helmet.
A large, heavy  pole is weilding like a car and is hit on Victim 1 and Victim 2.
The hole in the skull is expamind.
The one with then best* hole loses.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Seamus</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Our Prime Minster David Cameron says,

&quot;I don't think I will be getting back into the saddle anytime soon.&quot;

Asked if has anytime think to do with the rubbish standards for cycle helmet he say,

&quot;Grrr.&quot;]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 15:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Steveindenmark</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Every cycle forum I go on always has the topic about helmets, sometimes quite heated.

I have 3 helmets. Sometimes I wear one, sometimes I don`t.  If I am going on a training ride with my road bike I wear one. If it is a gentle ride to the beach, I don`t wear one.

When will people understand that until there are laws passed which says we must wear helmets, we have the option not to wear one?

Here is a nice video about a country who knows a thing or two about cycling. Let us play &quot;Spot the helmet&quot; and then consider the conclusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn2s6ax_7TM

Steve]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Seamus</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I think I'll stop wearing a helmet and go back to a baseball cap.

I only wore one cos the doctor said I should. Grrr. Bad brain already.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>AbrasiveScotsman</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The good thing about the SNELL standards was they hit the helmet from all sorts of angles with lots of different shaped anvils (such as ones shaped like kerb stones and spheres).

The modern standards are much less stringent.  I think they only have to withstand low speed impacts from a blunt anvil and kerbstones.  They are tested to much lower velocities than Snell

The modern standards are not up to much compared with SNELL.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Seamus</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I think the a human head weigh about 5kg. That from my job as a lab technician.

So, this test is for a recumbent rider head hitting the kerb, not moving and with not cars.

What a stupid test.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>John Turvey</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Actually, I always thought there was less need for a helmet on recumbents as there is less likelyhood of landing on your head.

John Turvey]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Seamus</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Was reading, &quot;New Cyclist,&quot; from August 1992.
That has a advert from the helmet company Centurion and it says that their helmets passed  the test.

&quot;drpping a 5kg weight from a height of one metre onto a kerbstone anvil.&quot;
Pages 34-35.

Theres survive quite few but the opposting only survives the once.
Thats what there supposed to do. Just the once. I dont think Centurion are with us now.

One metre?
Are this helmets only for the riding recumbent?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Seamus</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Had a look on the net to see is I'm right and I am.

No helmets are designed to stop pratect you if you hit something thats moving.

That best standard is when your not moving and to fall hitting a kerb that 2 meters away.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 16:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>David</author>
      <description><![CDATA[RobH Wrote:
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&gt; The last Helmet 'standard' I looked at was against
&gt; a 1 metre fall when stationary... That was the
&gt; 'better' BS rather than the old ANSI/Shnell
&gt; standards that the old hard shell helmets used to
&gt; be against.
&gt; Rob
&gt; wrhpv.com


Sadly the standard of helmets has dropped dramatically since those halycon days when they acrtually offered protection!

Np helmets now pass the Snell B95 that used to be tha main standrad, and few pass the inferior Snell B90

In the UK we have the laughable EN1078 that is now banned in the US for sporting events as it does not offer adequate protection!

I fail to understand how we have a whole advocacy for their use, yet the smae advocates do nothing about the declining quality and level of protection offered.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Geoff</author>
      <description><![CDATA[corshamjim Wrote:
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&gt; Here we go again ...
&gt; 
&gt; I don't subscribe to the view that helmets offer
&gt; too little protection.  The kind of cycling I do,
&gt; I would guess the most likely kind of impact to
&gt; the head I'm (if) ever going to suffer is exactly
&gt; the kind my helmet was designed for.
&gt; 
&gt; Personally I think helmet use is so nearly
&gt; universal now, compulsion wouldn't be a big deal,
&gt; and by the same token wouldn't make a great deal
&gt; of difference to the injury statistics.  So I
&gt; don't think compulsion is necessary, but at the
&gt; same time I don't think it would be a Bad Thing.


Sorry but helmet use is nowhere near universal and all of te evidence suggests helmet compulsion = fewer cyclists and more accidents per rider mile for those that are left riding. 

What part of that is har to understand?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>RobH</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The last Helmet 'standard' I looked at was against a 1 metre fall when stationary... That was the 'better' BS rather than the old ANSI/Shnell standards that the old hard shell helmets used to be against.
Rob
wrhpv.com]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Seamus</author>
      <description><![CDATA[quickly read another magazine and they review cycle helmets and what of the protection?

Uh, Nothing about what that protect you from.

fit, style, wieght, Nothing about what happens it you hit a car/bus or gound.

It was &quot;cycling plus&quot;,]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>Seamus</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Do cycle helmet manufuraters say what wearing their helmets protects you agiants?

I'd like see that.

I theink that wearing the cycle helmet protect me if I'm wearing on my bike and not moving at all!!!

The CTC does if I'm not moving at 6mph but 7mph is riscky.]]></description>
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      <author>corshamjim</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I'm not worried about cycle helmets.  I simply wear one and don't worry about it!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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      <author>RobH</author>
      <description><![CDATA[If you are that worried about cycle helmets, do you wear one when in a car? The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents say that 1200 fatal motor vehicle collisions each year involve head injury (to the motor vehicle user). They say that 800 of these deaths would have been prevented by helmet use.
Rob
wrhpv.com]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Anti-Bus Helmet</title>
      <link>http://www.velovision.com/forum-new/read.php?3,10432,10438#msg-10438</link>
      <author>corshamjim</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I still think that if the cyclist says the helmet saved his life he is probably right.  He was there.  Neither you nor I were.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Anti-Bus Helmet</title>
      <link>http://www.velovision.com/forum-new/read.php?3,10432,10437#msg-10437</link>
      <author>AbrasiveScotsman</author>
      <description><![CDATA[corshamjim, I've seen this rationale before.  Let me see if I can write it down:



Accident + helmet + survival = thanks to helmet

Accident + helmet + death = not helmets fault

Accident + bare-headed + survival = just dumb luck

Accident + bare-headed + death = your fault for not wearing a helmet


The above is an equation which results in a total selection bias.  All benefits are automatically declared thanks to helmets, whereas the helmet is excused blame for all failures.  Without a helmet, even good outcomes are portrayed as something negative that can be blamed on not wearing a helmet.

Helmet manufacturers make helmets to do something in particular.  The general public has a much broader interpretation of what a helmet can do than the man who designed and tested the thing.

Of course, helmet companies haven't been exactly quick to clarify these widespread overestimations of their products.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Anti-Bus Helmet</title>
      <link>http://www.velovision.com/forum-new/read.php?3,10432,10436#msg-10436</link>
      <author>corshamjim</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Yes but this cyclist /was/ hit by a homicidal bus driver and lived to tell the tale...]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 11:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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